Piping Peg's Dam - Family 23

Family 23

Piping Peg & Hobby

Mr. Prior estimates her year of birth from a letter, in the diary of John Hervey, the 1st Earl of Bristol, writing on April 9, 1706, "my Wenn beat Lord Kingston's white mare, Pipeing Peg, 8 miles, for 500 guineas." Prior notes that "it may be assumed that she was foaled somewhere about 1698, and that she was grey." [Royal Studs, 193]

The General Stud Book states "Piping Peg had also a sister to the Hobby Mare, which was the dam in 1716 of Mr Pelham's Hip, by the Curwen Bay Barb" [GSB1:11]. However, Cuthbert Routh notes in his stud book that "Hipp was gott by Mr Pelham's Bay Barb, his dam by Lister's Turk, and was full sister to Piping Pegg" [Early Records, 27].

Curwen's and Pelham's Bay Barb were the same horse. "Curwen (or Pelham) Bay Barb" [GSB1:8].

Mr. Routh's version indicates that Sister to Piping Peg was the dam of Hip, and concurrently removes the inbreeding to the Lister Turk. This version is supported by Mr. Hervey's letter, above, where it is stated that Piping Peg was racing in 1706, which would scarcely give her time to become the grandam of Brocklesby Betty who was foaled in 1711. Mr. Pick says that Hip's dam was "sister to Brocklesby Betty's dam" [Pick1:94], and also notes that the dam of Brocklesby Betty was "called the Hobby Mare" [Pick1:5]. Bobinski, in a note to family 23, says "'Available evidence implies that Piping Peg was not the dam of the HOBBY MARE, but was her sister or even identical with the HOBBY MARE."

Bearing in mind the practice of the day to call offspring by the same name as the sire or dam it may be possible that Piping Peg's dam was also named Piping Peg.

Support for Mr. Prior's version is supplied by the pedigree given on the portrait of Brocklesby Betty: "She was bred by Esqr Pelham and got by ye bay Barb which was presented by Muli Ishmael King of Morrocco to Lewis the 14th, the French King, but was the Property of Mr. Curwen of Warkington in Cumberland. Brokelsby Betty's Dam was called the Hobby Mare. She was bred by Mr. Leeds, her Sire was ye Lister Turk..."

Although unknown to Mr. Prior the Newcastle Courant provides additional evidence in the advertisement for Mr. Bowman's (formerly Sir William Blackett's) Hip: "This Stallion is full Brother to Long Meg, and Brockelsby's Betty, got with Pelham's Barb, and out of Hobby's Mare, which was bred by Mr Leeds..." [Newcastle Courant, March 20, 1724-5 p.10 & March 27, 1724-5]

Brocklesby Betty

Brocklesby Betty, who won a Gold Cup at York, a Silver Tea Board at Lincoln, two Royal Cups at Newmarket, and one at Hambledon, was a celebrated race mare. "As a runner, she was thought to be superior to any horse or mare of her time, notwithstanding she was a brood mare before she was trained." [Intro, 167]

Ringtail Galloway

The General Stud Book states that a "sister to Piping Peg had a filly by Hip, which the dam of Sir A. Hazlerigg's Ringtail Galloway, by The Curwen Bay Barb" [GSB1:11].

The pedigree of the Ringtail Galloway is supplied in the Racing Calendar entry for Brutus: "Patch's Dam was the Ring-Tail Galloway Mare, she was out of a full Sister to the Witty Mare, being both Daughters of Curwen's Bay Barb, and got by Hip, bred by Mr Pelham, by the same Bay Barb,upon a full sister to Piping Peg, who was got by the Lister Turk" [Heber, xi, 143].

Her pedigree would then read: Ringtail Galloway by Hip [Curwen Bay Barb - Sister to Piping Peg by Lister Turk] - Sister to Witty Mare by Curwen Bay Barb.

Sister to Witty Mare (f Curwen Bay Barb)
Ringtail Galloway (b f 1727 Hip)
Patch [or Miss Patch] (f 1737 Justice [Halifax's])

Family 23 and Early Sources

Family 23

The earliest broodmare of Bruce Lowe's family 23 entered in the General Stud Book (GSB), appears on page 11 of the 5th, revised edition, of 1891, in the First Part. The introductory paragraph of this section says:

"The following list of the earliest known mares, very few of which have been printed before as brood mares (though the substance has been given in the Miscellaneous Pedigrees at the end of earlier editions), are combined with the imported Eastern stallions, the source, with hardly any exception, of the whole of the so-called thorough-bred stock now existant..."

This mare's entry is given as

THE HOBBY MARE,

Got by Lister's Turk, out of the Duke of Kingston's *Piping Peg.
.	1709 b c Brocklesby, by the Curwen Bay Barb ... Mr Curwen
	1711 ch f Brocklesby Betty, by ditto ... Mr Curwen
* Piping Peg had also a sister to the Hobby mare, which was the dam in 1716 of Mr Pelham's Hip, by The Curwen Bay Barb.
A sister to Piping Peg had a filly by Hip, which was the dam of Sir A Hazlerigg's Ringtail Galloway, by The Curwen Bay Barb, which was dam in 1737 of Mr E O'Brien's Patch or Miss Patch, by Lord Halifax's Justice. MISS PATCH was the dam in Ireland of Brutus, by Old England, and Patty, by Tim (son of Squirt).

Brocklesby Betty is entered as a broodmare on page 43 of the same edition as

BROCKLESBY BETTY,

Bred by Mr PELHAM, in 1711, got by the Curwen Bay Barb, out of Mr Leedes's Hobby Mare, by the Lister Turk.

.	1721 gr f Brocklesby, by Greyhound ... Mr Crofts
	1723 ch c Brocklesby, by Woodcock ... Lord Godolphin
	In 1722 missed to Woodcock.

The General Stud Book Interpretation

The roots of this family tree then, according to GSB, look like this --

Dam of Piping Peg
●	Piping Peg
		THE HOBBY MARE, got by Lister's Turk
			1709 Mr Curwen's Brocklesby (b c) by the Curwen Bay Barb
			1711 Mr Curwen's Brocklesby Betty (ch f) by the Curwen Bay Barb
				1721 Mr Crofts' Brocklesby (gr f) by Greyhound
●				1723 Lord Godolphin's Brocklesby (ch c) by Woodcock
		Sister to the Hobby Mare
			1716 Mr Pelham's Hip, by the Curwen Bay Barb
	Sister to Piping Peg
		Mare by Hip
			Sir A. Hazlerigg's Ringtail Galloway, by the Curwen Bay Barb
				1737 Mr E O'Brien's (Miss) Patch, by the Halifax Justice
					Brutus, by Old England
					Patty, by Tim (son of Squirt)

Other Evidence

Records from the 18th century, however, call this construction into question, and, in fact, suggest that considerable revision should be made.

The first record is an entry in Cuthbert Routh's Stud-Book, as published by C M Prior in Early Records of the Thoroughbred Horse, 1924 (Early Records). This particular pedigree is undated but is included in a section with pedigrees dated from 1725 to 1734.

Hipp was gott by M^r Pellham's Bay Barb, his dam by Lister's Turk, and was full sist^r to Piping Pegg; and Hipp was full broth^r to Long Megg. - per Mr PELLHAM.

This pedigree may be interpreted as saying that Hip & Long Meg were both got by Mr Pelham's Bay Barb, and out of a full sister to Piping Peg, got by Lister's Turk.

The next record is an advertisement appearing on page 10 of the Newcastle Courant, for March 20 & 27, 1724-5. This reads:

These are to give Notice, That the famous Stallion call'd, HIP, late belonging to Sir Wm Blacket, Bar. is now in the Possession of Mr Fenwick Bowman of Elfhils in Northumberland, where any Gentleman may have Mares served, paying each Mare one Guinea: This Stallion is full Brother to Long Meg, and Brockelsby's Betty, got with Pelham's Barb, and out of Hobby's Mare, which was bred by Mr Leeds, and is now reckon'd one of the most valued stud Mares in all England, he challeng'd all the 5 Years old in England, which Challenge was accepted, and Run by a Horse of Mr Pullien, being reckon'd the Best of that Age; but he was beat by HIP, with a great deal of Ease; He was soon after, by a Misfortune in one of his Sweats, rendered uncapable of being any longer a Training one.

This ad provides additional information that Hip and Long Meg had another full sibling, the mare Brocklesby Betty; also, that their dam was bred by Mr Leeds, and known as Hobby's Mare. The wording suggests that this mare may still have been alive in 1724.

The next record is also an advertisement from the Newcastle Courant, which appeared on page 10 of the edition for April 17, 1724; it provides evidence that Piping Peg had at least one offspring, a colt called Snout, after his sire.

These are to give Notice, that the famous Horse call'd, Snout, formerly the Duke of Kingston's, and now in the Possession of Lancelot Machell, Esq; of Crackenthorp, Sheriff of the County of Westmoreland, is design'd to serve Mares this Year: All Gentlemen and Others, that send their Mares to Crackinthorp near Appleby, in the County aforesaid, may have them served at A Guinea each Mare, viz half in Hand, the other at the Sight of the Foal, This Stallion is got by old Snout, and out of Piping Pegg; he has run with great Success at New-market, in Yorkshire, Bishoprick, Westmoreland, Cumberland, and Northumberland: The said Horse is Wax-work for Beauty, and for Strength and Goodness not to be paralleled.

It is of interest that Snout is referred to as "formerly the Duke of Kingston's", since Piping Peg is also said to have been owned by the Duke of Kingston. Prior, in Early Records..., page 28, makes note of entries in the Diary of John Hervey, first Earl of Bristol, recording that the Earl's Wenn beat "Lord Kingston's white mare Pipeing Peg" on at least 3 occasions, including 9 April 1706, at Newmarket; given this date, Prior proposed that Piping Peg was foaled about 1698.

In 1741, Cheny published a print of Brocklesby Betty. The text reads:

The Portraiture of Brokelsby Betty the Property of Charles Pelham Esq^r of Lincolnshire
Taken from an Original Picture of Tho^s Panton's Esq^rBrokelsby Betty (as Generally believ'd) was as certainly the Best Mare the Kingdom has produc'd as that Childers was Superior in Speed to all other Horses &c whatsoever. She was bred by M^r Pelham (above mention'd.) Her Sire is Sufficiently distinguish'd to Sportsmen by the Title of the Bay Barb. A Horse presented by Muli Ishmael King of Morocco: to Lewis 14^th of France, but afterward was the late M^r Curwen's, of Warkington, in Cumberland.
Brokelsby Betty's Dam was call'd the Hobby Mare; She was bred by the late M^r Leeds: Her Sire was the Lister Turk; Eminent for being also the Sire of Snake; the late Duke of Kingston's Brisk Piping Peg; and many other fine Horses, &c. This Turk (Grand Sire, as observ'd to Brokelsby Betty) was brought into England by the late Duke of Berwick, from the Siege of Buda in the Reign of King James the Second.
Brokelsby Betty at Newmarket, in April 1716: - (then 5 Years Old) beat a Mare of the Duke of Devonshires, for 100 Guineas: the following August She beat 12 Mares for the Gold Cup at Black Hambleton. In April, 1717, She beat 8 Mares for the Gold Cup at Newmarket; that August won a Silver Tea Board at Lincoln; and a £60 Gold Cup at York. That October beat 4 Horses for the King's Plate at Newmarket: and Six Horses in the following April for the Gold Cup: And in May that Year, beat the Duke of Wharton's Snail, for 200 Guineas: and afterward won a Match of 900 Guineas aside, against the Duke of Bridgewater's Ashridge, got by Leeds; and Esteem'd at that time the best Horse in the Kingdom.
Publish'd this 26^th day of September, 1741, by John Cheny.

The text of this print is consistent with the earlier records regarding the pedigree of Brocklesby Betty.

From the index to Cheny's "Racing Calendar" for 1743:

Truewhit, Mr.
Honeywood, 17
Honeywood was got by Young True-blue.
His dam by Basto, his Grand Dam was got by the Thornton Arabian.
His Great Grand Dam was the noted Mare called Brokelsby Betty, which Mare was got by the Curwen Bay Barb.

This reference supplies another offspring for Brocklesby Betty, namely a filly by the Thornton Arabian (otherwise known as Bloody Buttocks); it also mentions again that Brocklesby Betty's sire was the Curwen Bay Barb.

From the index to Cheny's "Racing Calendar" for 1745:

Leathes Carteret Esq;
Shepherdess, 31
Shepherdess was got by Brokelsby, which was out of Brokelsby Betty and Woodcock.
Brokelsby Betty was got by the Bay Barb. See p 110, 111.
Her Dam was got by the Lister Turk, Sire of ___ as p 106, 108.

This pedigree provides another offspring for Brocklesby Betty and repeats her pedigree as by the Bay Barb out of a mare by the Lister Turk.

The next two records are advertisements appearing in Heber's "Racing Calendar" for 1754. On page 237 there is an ad for the stallion Victim:

At the Sign of Sedbury, at Whitewel, betwixt York and Malton, tha famous high bred Chesnut Horse, called Victim, at two Guineas a Mare. He was got by Cade; his Dam by Partner; his Grand Dam by old Greyhound, out of Brocklesby Betty, who was out of a Daughter of the Lister Turk and the Curwen Bay Barb. Victim's Dam was also the Dam of Teazer, Trinket and Jessamy.

This pedigree provides another offspring for Brocklesby Betty and repeats her pedigree as by the Bay Barb out of a mare by the Lister Turk.

On page 251, another ad appears advertising several horses for sale.

To be Sold.
1. A Grey Mare rising seven, got by Sedbury, out of the Dam of Lord Gower's Little John, which was got by Bloody Buttocks, her Grand Dam by Greyhound, her Great Grand Dam was Brocklesby Betty, which was got by the Curwen Bay Barb, and out of a Daughter of the Lister Turk.
2. A Grey Colt rising two, out of the above Mare, got by Blaze.
3. A Grey Filly rising one, out of the same Mare, got by Regulus.
4. A Bay Mare rising nine, own sister to Lord Onslow's Squirrel, which was got by Forester, they were both out of the Dam of the Duke of Cleveland's Charon, the Mare was called Fair Wanderer and given by Lord Gower to Mr. Keeling, in the Bishoprick of Durham.
5. A Bay Filly rising two, out of the same Mare, got by Blaze.
Letters Post-paid, will be answered, by directing to the Publisher of these Books.

Both provide the same pedigree for Brocklesby Betty: she was got by the Curwen Bay Barb, out of a daughter of the Lister Turk. This pedigree is consistent with those given for Hip and Long Meg, although the daughter of the Lister Turk is not identified. Further, it appears that Brocklesby Betty had at least one daughter got by Greyhound.

From the index to Heber's "Racing Calendar" for 1761:

O’Brien, Cornet ...
Brutus, 95, 100, 101, 102, 108, 120, was bred by Sir Edward O’Brien, and got by Old England, Son of the Godolphin Arabian, his Dam was a famous Gallaway Mare of Sir Edward’s, distinguished by the Name of Patch, she was bred by Sir Arthur Hassleridge, and got by the late Ld. Halifax’s Justice, Son the the Hampton Court Litton Arabian, upon Aldby Jenny, bred by Mr. Brewster, her Grand Dam called Ruby, was got by Mr. Leed’s Dragon: Patch’s Dam was the Ring-Tail Galloway Mare, she was out of a full Sister to the Witty Mare, being both Daughters of Curwen’s Bay Barb, and got by Hip, bred by Mr. Pelham, by the same Bay Barb, upon a full Sister to Piping Peg, who was got by the Lister Turk.

This pedigree or something similarly written may very well have been the source of the confusion reflected in the entry for the HOBBY MARE in GSB. The pedigree should probably be interpreted to read that Brutus, bred by Sir Edward O'Brien was got by Old England. Brutus's dam was Patch, a galloway bred by Sir Arthur Hassleridge, & got by the Halifax Justice. Patch's dam was got by Hip, out of the Ringtail Galloway Mare. The dam of the Ringtail Galloway was a full sister to the Witty Mare, by Curwen's Bay Barb. Hip, bred by Mr Pelham, was (also) got by the Curwen Bay Barb, & out of a full sister to Piping Peg, by the Lister Turk. Therefore, the Ringtail Galloway & her descendants, Brutus & Patty, in Ireland, are descended from the dam of the Witty Mare, & not known to belong to the same female family as the Hobby Mare.

10.

From West Sussex Record Office: Petworth House Archives (Reference: PHA/5041; Details of horses in Petworth stud. Creation dates: 1773-1774).

A Brown Mare Camilla was foaled the 8 of April 1767. She was got by Snap her Dam by Babraham, her Grandam by Achilles, her G. Grandam by Goldenlock out of Colonel Howards Chesnut Mare who won the King's Plate at Newmarket in 1728 from eleven others. Colonel Howards mare was got by Sir Wm Stricklands Black Arabian out of the dam of the Carlisle Gelding. Achilles was got by full brother to the Duke of Boltons Fearnought, his dam by Diamond out of a Natural Barb Mare. Diamond was got by Jews Trump son of Ld Dearcys Chesnut Arabian out of the daughter of the Bay Barb. Golden Locks was got by a son of the Bay Barb, bred by the Duke of Devonshire out of a full sister of Childers's Dam, Golden Locks Dam was got by the Thoulouse Barb*, and his Grand Dam was the Dam of Brockels Betty.

This pedigree provides more complete information as to the breeding of the stallion Golden Locks. He is shown in GSB as GOLDEN LOCKS, Mr Pelham's, 1724, by a son of the Curwen Bay Barb (GSB, 5th edition, 1891, page 380). In the pedigree from the Petworth records, it can be seen that the dam of Golden Locks was by the Thoulouse Barb, a horse said to have been imported with Curwen's Bay Barb.

*See Cheny's index, 1743: "...the Thoulouse Barb..., was brought into England by the late Mr. Curwen, of Workington in Cumberland. That gentleman being in France at a time when Count Byram and Count Thoulouse (two Natural Sons of Lewis the Fourteenth) were, the former, Master of the Horse, and the other an Admiral, he procured of them two Barb Horses, which he convey'd to England; One of which became Sir John Parson's, of Rygate, Surrey; which was styled the Thoulouse Barb...:
The other of these Barbs was a Present to Lewis the Fourteenth from Muly Ishmael, King of Morocco; which, after he came to England, proved so excellent a Stallion, that he is distinguishable to all Sportsmen, by the bare Title of the Bay Barb, as he could have been had there never been another Barb Horse of his Colour in the Kingdom."

Conclusions

Putting all this information together suggests that the roots of Bruce Lowe's Family 23 should look something like:

Piping Peg's dam

Piping Peg, the Duke of Kingston's, foaled about 1698, by Lister's Turk (raced 1706)
- Snout, formerly the Duke of Kingston's, by old Snout (advertised at stud in 1724)
sister to Piping Peg (or Hobby's Mare, bred by Mr Leeds), by Lister's Turk
- mare by the Thoulouse Barb
  - Golden Lock(s) by a son of the (Curwen) Bay Barb
- Brocklesby (the Duke of Rutland's b h 1709), which GSB shows as brother to Brocklesby Betty, won the King's Gold Cup of 100gs value for 6 yo, at York, 24 Aug 1715; his breeding is not given in any of the contemporary sources reviewed here
- Long Meg, by Pelham's Bay Barb (1710c; won the King's Plate for Mares at Newmarket, April 1716)
- Brocklesby Betty, by Pelham's (Curwen's) Bay Barb (ch m 1711, won a Gold Cup for 5 yo mares, 19 Aug 1716, at York; and a Gold Cup for 6 yo Mares at York, 1 Aug 1717)
  - Brocklesby (a chesnut horse) by Woodcock**
  - mare by Greyhound (also named Brocklesby, see GSB, i, 1891; p. 44 - BROCKLESBY, bred by Mr CROFTS, in 1721)
  - mare by Thornton's Arabian "Bloody Buttocks" (grandam of Mr Trewhit's Honeywood)
- Hip, by Pelham's Bay Barb: as the Duke of Somerset's he raced at Newmarket in 1718; "lately owned by Sir Wm Blacket, Bart", advertised at stud in 1724; sired the Ringtail Galloway

** The evidence regarding the sire of the stallion Brocklesby is conflicting: GSB and Cheny (index to his "Racing Calendar" for 1745) say that Brocklesby was a son of Brocklesby Betty and Woodcock while Pick (Turf Register, vol. 1, 1803; 6) and an ad for Spot, in the Norwich Mercury from April 25, 1752, describe Brocklesby as "son of Greyhound".