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Family 15
 
 



English Families

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Profiles


Soothsayer


Jerry


Blank


Shakespeare


Sweetbriar


Babraham

ROYAL MARE
     Grey Whynot (Whynot)
     |     Points (St. Victor's Barb)
     |          Flying Whig (Williams's Woodstock Arabian)
     |               Amorett [Little Hartley Mare] (Bartlet's Childers)
     |               |     Miss Meredith (Cade)
     |               |          Sister To Selenissa (Crab [Shepherd's])
     |               |               Snap Mare (Snap)
     |               |                    Sister 2 To Lethe (Highflyer)
     |               |                         Eaton Lass (Potoooooooo)
     |               |                              Sir Peter Teazle Mare (Sir Peter Teazle)
     |               |                                   Vesta (Governor)
     |               |                                        VENUS (Langar) ..... 15-a
     |               Sachrissa [Large Hartley Mare] (Hartley's Blind Horse)
     |                    SELIMA [15-c] ..... Family 21
     |                    Sister To Hartley's Roan Stallion (Hip)
     |                         REGULUS MARE (Regulus) ..... 15-d
     Sister To Grey Whynot (Whynot)
          Castaway Mare (Castaway [Bethell's])
               Dimple Mare (Dimple [Dyer's])
                    Crab Mare (Crab)
                         Charlotte [Quick's] (Blank)
                              Syphon Mare (Syphon)
                                   Violet (Shark)
                                        Tooee (Buzzard)
                                             Vourneen (Sorcerer)
                                                  Mrs. Fry (Walton)
                                                       Gitana (Tramp)
                                                            THE WRYNECK (Slane) ..... 15-b
 

 
ROYAL MARE f 1685c
     Grey Whynot (GB) gr f 1695c Whynot (GB)
     |     Cupid [Rider's] (GB) c 1700c St. Victor's Barb
     |     Bald Galloway (GB) c 1705c St. Victor's Barb
     |     Points (GB) f 1707c St. Victor's Barb
     |     |     Flying Whig (GB) f 1715 Williams's Woodstock Arabian
     |     |          Amorett [Little Hartley Mare] (GB) ch f 1727 Bartlet's Childers (GB)
     |     |          |     Sister 2 To Tortoise (GB) b f 1736 Whitefoot [Godolphin] (GB)
     |     |          |     |     Gower Stallion (GB) b c 1740 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |          |     TORTOISE (GB) b c 1737 Whitefoot [Godolphin] (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |          |     Janus (GB) b c 1738 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |          |     Sister To Blank (GB) b f 1739 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |          |     |     Merlin (GB) b c 1748 Second (GB)
     |     |          |     |     Liberty (GB) b c 1749 Hazard (GB)
     |     |          |     |     Nisus (GB) ch c 1752 Squirt (GB)
     |     |          |     |     Babraham Blank (GB) b c 1758 Babraham (GB)
     |     |          |     BLANK (GB) b c 1740 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |          |     OLD ENGLAND (GB) b c 1741 Godolphin Arabian ..... GB QP
     |     |          |     TRIMMER (GB) b g 1744 Hobgoblin (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |          |     SHAKESPEARE (GB) ch c 1745 Hobgoblin (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |          |     Slouch (GB) ch c 1747 Cade (GB)
     |     |          |     Miss Meredith (GB) f 1751 Cade (GB)
     |     |          |          Shock Mare (GB) f 1755c Shock (GB)
     |     |          |          |    Granby (GB) b c 1762 Belsize Arabian
     |     |          |          Tartar [Wildman's] (GB) b c 1758 Tartar (GB)
     |     |          |          Sister To Selenissa (GB) b f 1760 Crab [Shepherd's] (GB)
     |     |          |          |     Snap Mare (GB) b f 1767 Snap (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     Sister To True Blue (GB) b f 1774 King Herod (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     |     Ali Bey Mare (GB) b f 1781 Ali Bey
     |     |          |          |     |     |     |     Sister To Bos (GB) ch f 1802 Buzzard (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     |     |          Eryx (GB) b c 1816 Milo (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     |     Louisa (GB) b f 1794 Javelin (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     |          PETRONIUS (GB) b c 1805 Sir Peter Teazle (GB) ..... GB SL
     |     |          |          |     |     Vernon Arabian Mare (GB) b f 1780 Vernon's Arabian
     |     |          |          |     |     |     Emigrant (GB) b c 1794 Escape (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     Sister 1 To Lethe (GB) br f 1785 Highflyer (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     |     Gabriel (GB) b c 1790 Dorimant (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     Sister 2 To Lethe (GB) br f 1786 Highflyer (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |          Eaton Lass (GB) f 1793 Potoooooooo (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |               Sir Peter Mare (GB) br f 1801 Sir Peter Teazle (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |                    Vesta (GB) b f 1823 Governor (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |                         VENUS (GB) b f 1832 Langar (GB) ..... 15-a
     |     |          |          |     Muse (GB) b f 1775 King Herod (GB)
     |     |          |          |          Strawberry (GB) ch c 1783 Dorimant (GB)
     |     |          |          Shakespeare Mare (GB) f 1763 Shakespeare (GB)
     |     |          |          |     SWEETBRIAR (GB) ch c 1769 Syphon (GB)
     |     |          |          |     Sister To Sweetbriar (GB) br f 1770 Syphon (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |     Sister To Russian (GB) ch f 1777 Matchem (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |          Fidget (GB) b c 1783 Florizel (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |          Bustler (GB) ch c 1784 Florizel (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |          EAGER (GB) b c 1788 Florizel (GB) ..... GB D
     |     |          |          |     |          Dragon Mare (GB) ch f 1796 Dragon (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |               Skyscraper Mare (GB) f 1800c Skyscraper (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |                    Johanna (GB) ch f 1813 Selim (GB)
     |     |          |          |     |                         REDSHANK (GB) b c 1833 Sandbeck (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |          |          |     Mentor (GB) br c 1784 Justice (GB)
     |     |          |          Marianne (GB) b f 1767 Squirrel (GB)
     |     |          |          |     Justice Mare (GB) b f 1781 Justice (GB)
     |     |          |          |          Asparagus (GB) ch c 1787 Potoooooooo (GB)
     |     |          |          |          Johnny (GB) b c 1794 King Fergus (GB)
     |     |          |          |          Boaster (GB) br c 1795 Dungannon (GB)
     |     |          |          Madcap (GB) b f 1771 Snap (GB)
     |     |          |               Highflyer Mare (GB) b f 1781 Highflyer (GB)
     |     |          |               |     De Bash (GB) b c 1792 King Fergus (GB)
     |     |          |               Dancing Master (GB) b c 1788 Woodpecker (GB)
     |     |          Sachrissa [Large Hartley Mare] (GB) ch f 1729 Hartley's Blind Horse (GB)
     |     |               Hartley's Roan Stallion (GB) ro c 1731c Hip (GB)
     |     |               Sister To Hartley's Roan Stallion (GB) gr f 1733 Hip (GB)
     |     |               |     Countess (GB) gr f 1737 Hartley's Blind Horse (GB)
     |     |               |     |     Torismond Mare (GB) gr f 1752 Torismond (GB)
     |     |               |     |          Jessamy Mare (GB) gr f 1762 Jessamy (GB)
     |     |               |     |               COUNSELLOR (GB) b c 1768 Alcides (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |               |     JOSPEH ANDREWS (GB) ch c 1743 Roundhead (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |               |     REGULUS MARE (GB) ro f 1753 Regulus (GB) ..... 15-d
     |     |               |     Rib Mare (GB) gr f 1754 Rib (GB)
     |     |               |          Bosphorus Mare (GB) gr f 1760c Bosphorus (GB)
     |     |               |          |     Regulus Mare (GB) f 1765c Regulus (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |     MARY DAVY (GB) b f 1770 Dainty Davy (GB) ..... GB QP
     |     |               |          |     |          Fitzherod Mare (GB) f 1780c Fitzherod (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |               Sister To Lady Crutches (GB) b f 1793 Drone (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |                    Tartar Mare (GB) f 1800c Tartar (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |                         Knowsley Mare (GB) f 1815c Knowsley (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |                              Blacklock Mare (GB) f 1825c Blacklock (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |                                   Progress (GB) f 1833 Langar (GB)
     |     |               |          |     |                                        ATTILA (GB) b c 1839 Colwick (GB) ..... GB D
     |     |               |          |     |                                        Great Heart (GB) ch c 1840 Jereed (GB)
     |     |               |          |     Young Marske Mare (GB) gr f 1780c Young Marske (GB)
     |     |               |          |          Theodolite (GB) br c 1795c Sir Peter Teazle (GB)
     |     |               |          Blue Cap (GB) gr c 1762 Young Cade (GB)
     |     |               Mogul (GB) b c 1735 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |               Marlborough (GB) b c 1737 Godolphin Arabian
     |     |               BABRAHAM (GB) b c 1738 Godolphin Arabian
     |     Leedes Mare (GB) f 1710c Leedes (GB)
     |          Dumplin Mare (GB) f 1720c Dumplin [Godolphin] (GB)
     |               Nathan Mare (GB) f 1735c Nathan (GB)
     |                    SPORTSMAN [Strange's] (GB) b c 1747 Whitefoot [Derby's] (GB) ..... GB QP
     Sister To Grey Whynot (GB) f 1700c Whynot (GB)
          Castaway Mare (GB) f 1715c Castaway [Bethell's] (GB)
               Dimple Mare (GB) f 1725c Dimple [Dyer's] (GB)
                    Crab Mare (GB) f 1745c Crab (GB)
                         Charlotte (GB) ch f 1756 Blank (GB)
                         |     Syphon Mare (GB) ch f 1772 Syphon (GB)
                         |          TOMMY (GB) ch c 1776 Wildair (GB) ..... GB SL
                         |          Violet (GB) ch f 1787 Shark (GB)
                         |               Goldenlocks (GB) ch f 1793 Delpini (GB)
                         |               |     Sister To Dowager (GB) ch f 1804 Hambletonian (GB)
                         |               |     |     Shuttle Mare (GB) ch f 1812 Shuttle (GB)
                         |               |     |          Smolensko Mare (GB) b f 1824 Smolensko (GB)
                         |               |     |               Miss Ann (GB) b f 1831 Filho Da Puta (GB)
                         |               |     |                    Belle Poule (FR) b f 1840 Marcellus (GB)
                         |               |     |                    |     Dame De Trefle (FR) b f 1856 The Prime Warden (GB)
                         |               |     |                    |          Berthe (FR) b f 1863 Womersley (GB)
                         |               |     |                    |               Barbillone (FR) b f 1868 Young Gladiator (FR)
                         |               |     |                    |                    Sutler (FR) b c 1875 Pace (GB) or Vaucresson (FR)
                         |               |     |                    Miss Ion (FR) b f 1853 Ion (GB)
                         |               |     |                         Tolla (FR) b f 1858 Festival (FR) or Valbruant (FR)
                         |               |     |                         |     Curieuse (FR) b f 1866 Monarque (FR)
                         |               |     |                         |     |     HUNGARIA (AH) b f 1885 Gunnersbury (GB)
                         |               |     |                         |     |                                           ..... HUN O, AUT O
                         |               |     |                         |     |          Honeymoon (AH) ch f 1900 Gaga (GB)
                         |               |     |                         |     |               Hagyomany (AH) b f 1916 Mokan (AH)
                         |               |     |                         |     |                    LINK (HUN) ch c 1925 Lavendel (HUN) ..... AUT D
                         |               |     |                         |     General (FR) b c 1868 Monarque (FR)
                         |               |     |                         PUEBLA (FR) b f 1863 Ventre St. Gris (FR) ..... FR 2G
                         |               |     |                         Boulogne (FR) b c 1866 Monarque (FR)
                         |               |     |                         HENRY (FR) b c 1868 Monarque (FR) ..... GB AGC
                         |               |     SOOTHSAYER (GB) ch c 1808 Sorcerer (GB) ..... GB SL
                         |               |     Bigot (GB) ch c 1814 Sorcerer (GB)
                         |               |     Haruspex (GB) ch c 1816 Sorcerer (GB)
                         |               SYMMETRY (GB) gr c 1795 Delpini (GB) ..... GB SL
                         |               Lennox (GB) ch c 1798 Delpini (GB)
                         |               Tooee (GB) ch f 1799 Buzzard (GB)
                         |               |     Vourneen (GB) ch f 1810 Sorcerer (GB)
                         |               |          Reformer (GB) ch c 1821 Whisker (GB)
                         |               |          Mrs. Fry (GB) ch f 1823 Walton (GB)
                         |               |               Gitana (GB) ch f 1828 Tramp (GB)
                         |               |                    THE WRYNECK (GB) ch f 1842 Slane (GB) ..... 15-b
                         |               THEOPHANIA (GB) b f 1800 Delpini (GB) ..... GB O
                         |               Thomasina (GB) ch f 1804 Timothy (GB)
                         |               |     Louisa (GB) br f 1813 Orville (GB)
                         |               |     |     JERRY (GB) bl c 1821 Smolensko (GB) ..... GB SL
                         |               |     |     Whisker Mare (GB) ch f 1827 Whisker (GB)
                         |               |     |          Jonathan Wild (GB) br c 1843 Stockport (GB)
                         |               |     Marianne (GB) bl f 1816 Sorcerer (GB)
                         |               |     |     Parthenessa (GB) br f 1821 Cervantes (GB)
                         |               |     |          Aurora (GB) b f 1830 Sandbeck (GB)
                         |               |     |          |     Venus (GB) b f 1835 Amadis (GB)
                         |               |     |          |          Hermione (GB) b f 1856 Kingston (GB)
                         |               |     |          |               Armistice (GB) b f 1870 Rataplan (GB)
                         |               |     |          |                    Eirene (GB) ch f 1877 Adventurer (GB)
                         |               |     |          |                         Protocol (GB) ch f 1889 Isonomy (GB)
                         |               |     |          |                              Proclamation (GB) b c 1896 Hampton (GB)
                         |               |     |          Master Wags (GB) b c 1833 Langar (GB)
                         |               |     |          Problem (GB) b f 1843 Euclid (GB)
                         |               |     |               Result (GB) b f 1848 Mulatto (GB)
                         |               |     |                    Consequence (GB) b f 1857 Bay Middleton (GB)
                         |               |     |                         Buckden (GB) b c 1869 Lord Clifden (GB)
                         |               |     Miss Thomasina (GB) ch f 1823 Welbeck (GB)
                         |               |          Red Rover (GB) br c 1831 Lottery (GB)
                         |               Thwat (GB) b f 1805 Hambletonian (GB)
                         |               |     Stamford Mare (GB) f 1810c Stamford (GB)
                         |               |          Prude (GB) b f 1822 Phantom (GB)
                         |               |               La Valiere (GB) b f 1833 Cain (GB)
                         |               |                    Valeria (GB) b f 1842 Carew (GB)
                         |               |                         Kitten (GB) b f 1852 Foxberry (GB)
                         |               |                              Angora (GB) ch f 1872 The Miner (GB)
                         |               |                                   Tete De Linotte (BEL) ch f 1882 Thundercloud (GB)
                         |               |                                        TRAZEGNIES (BEL) ch c 1889 Cognac (GB) ..... BEL D
                         |               Paynator Mare (GB) br f 1807 Paynator (GB)
                         |                    Sister To Diadem (GB) b f 1822 Catton (GB)
                         |                    |     Taglioni (GB) ch f 1827 Whisker (GB)
                         |                    |          Retriever (IRE) ch c 1836 Recovery (GB)
                         |                    |          Tearaway (GB) b c 1838 Voltaire (GB)
                         |                    |          Danceaway (IRE) ch f 1843 Harkaway (IRE)
                         |                    |               Mona (IRE) b f 1848 Polish (IRE) or Mickey Free (IRE)
                         |                    |                    Bacchus (IRE) br c 1861 Claret (GB)
                         |                    Jubilee (GB) b f 1824 Catton (GB)
                         |                         Actual (GB) br f 1835 Actaeon (GB)
                         |                              The Doe (GB) f 1845 Melbourne (GB)
                         |                                   Doeskin (GB) b f 1856 Newminster (GB)
                         |                                        Deerdale (GB) ch f 1869 The Duke (GB)
                         |                                             Chelsea (AH) ch c 1876 Cremorne (GB)
                         |                                             DART (AH) ch f 1881 Buccaneer (GB) ..... HUN O
                         Doge (GB) ch c 1762 Regulus (GB)
   
Family 15
 
This family as now constructed is not fully supported by eighteenth century pedigrees, raising the possibility that descendants of Mr Quick's Charlotte (branch 15-b) do not have the same matrilineage as the branches descending from Flying Whig. Considerable confusion may result from the multiplicity of horses and mares called Whynot to be found in early pedigrees, some of which cannot be further identified or characterized. (For those interested, a list of early pedigree references to Whynot's is given at the bottom).
 
Quick's Charlotte and her descendants
 
Violet (1787) by Shark
Branch 15-b descends to the present through this mare. She first appeared in GSB in the Supplement published in 1800 with her first six foals for Sir T Gascoigne. Her list of produce was extended in the 1803 edition, and in 1808 her entry assumed the form that has been repeated in all subsequent editions of volume one. VIOLET was described as

Bred by Sir THOMAS GASCOIGNE, foaled in 1787, got by Shark, her dam by Syphon, out of Mr Quick's Charlotte, by Blank - Crab - Dyer's Dimple - Whynot - Royal Mare.

This is the same pedigree given in Pick's calendars, except that in 1804 and 1806 in extended pedigrees for Violet's son, Lenox, a cross of Mr Bethell's Castaway was inserted between Dyer's Dimple and Whynot.
 
Syphon mare
This Syphon mare made her first appearance in An Introduction to a General Stud-book, of 1791. She was described as

Foaled in 1772, her dam (Mr Quick's Charlotte) by Blank - Crab - Dyer's Dimple (son of the Leedes Arabian) - Whynot (son of Fenwick's Barb) - Royal Mare.

In the 1803 edition one more foal was added to her list of produce. And in 1891, her pedigree was edited to include a cross of Castaway between Dyer's Dimple and Whynot.

Although this chesnut Syphon mare appeared in sales lists of horses from Mr Leedes' stud at North Milford, 1777-1781, her pedigree was given only as "got by Syphon, her dam by Blank, and was Mr Quick's Charlotte."
 
Mr Quick's Charlotte
This mare does not have a broodmare entry in GSB, but has been listed as produce of her dam in every one of her entries. Charlotte's pedigree was recorded when she was still racing by Heber in his annual for 1763:

Quick, Mr
Charlotte ... got by Blank, her Dam by Old Crab, Grand Dam by Dyer's Dimple, her Great Grand Dam by Why-not, out of a Royal Mare. Dyer's Dimple was got by the Sire of Leeds. Why-not was got by Fenwick's Barb.


In addition to the Syphon mare mentioned in GSB, Charlotte also produced a colt by Swiss in 1770, called Gambler, which was advertised as a stallion from 1778-1784. His advertisements state that he had been bred by Sir John Lister Kaye, Bart, and his pedigree includes a Castaway cross.

He was got by Swiss, own Brother to Old Snap; his Dam, by Blank, which Mare was Mr Quick’s Charlotte; his Grandam, by Old Crab; his Great Grandam, by Dyer’s Dimple; his Great Great Grandam, by Castaway; his Great Great Great Grandam, by Old Whynot, out of a Royal Mare. [Leeds Mercury. 2 Mar 1779.]
 
Crab mare
This mare was first entered in the edition of 1793, as

CRAB MARE,
Her dam by Dyer's Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot - Royal Mare.


However, her son Doge, had been entered in 1791 as "got by Regulus - Crab - Dyer's Dimple - Whynot - Royal Mare" (no Castaway cross) while Pick, in his Pedigrees and Performances of the most Celebrated Race-Horses (published about 1786) described Doge as

… bred by the Rt Hon Lord Bolingbroke, was got by Regulus; his dam by Panton's Crab, a daughter of Dyer's Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot, (son of the Fenwick Barb) - and out of a Royal Mare.

A second problem with this CRAB MARE's entry is that she is credited in GSB as dam of Mr Stewart's Hartley, a 1754 gr c by a "son of Spinner." However, this colt's pedigree was given by both Heber and Pond when he was racing as got by a Son of Partner. Further, Heber 1759 says his dam was a mare "by Spinner." It appears that this Crab mare (or a sister with the same pedigree) had, instead, in 1754, a grey colt called Spot in advertisements (Caledonian Mercury, 9 May 1761. Numb. 6144; 12 Apr 1762. Numb. 6299; London Evening Post, 3-5 May 1770, issue 6630.) The pedigree given by Simeon Stuart said the horse's dam was "by Old Crab, his grand-dam by Dyer's Dimple, his great grand dam by Why-not, out of a royal mare."

A last problem is that Simeon Stuart also certified Doge's pedigree in an advertisement from 2 May 1769 in the York Courant (No. 2270.) as "got by Regulus; his Dam, by Old Crab; his Grandam, by Dyer's Dimple; his Great Grandam, by Castaway; his Great Great Grandam, by Whynot, out of a Royal Mare."

The possibilities seem to be that (1) Sir Simeon had two different closely related Crab mares, one whose pedigree included a cross of Bethell's Castaway, while the other did not and their records have been consolidated into a single entry in GSB or (2) he had only one mare and provided discrepant pedigrees for her produce.
 
Dyer's Dimple mare
This mare does not have a broodmare entry in GSB; there is also no known historical evidence for her existence; at present she is simply a cross in pedigrees. Her sire Dyer's Dimple is also something of a mystery: he is thought to have been foaled about 1700; his only definitely dated get were foaled in 1716 and 1717, although he probably had foals as early as 1705 and as late as 1725.
 
Bethell's Castaway mare?
This mare does not have a broodmare entry in GSB, and in fact, does not appear in every pedigrees representing this line. At present, and lacking any historical evidence, it is not possible to resolve whether she represents an error, or really did exist. Bethell's Castaway raced at York in 1711, so is thought to have been foaled about 1704.
 
Whynot mare
This mare does not have a broodmare entry in GSB. The 1891 edition comments in the entry of (GREY) WHYNOT

Either Grey Whynot, or a sister to her, bred also a filly by Bethell's Castaway, dam of a f by Dyer's Dimple, dam of a Crab mare, dam of Charlotte, by Blank.

She is yet another mare whose name is found only in pedigrees and lacks historical evidence as to further characteristics.
 
A Royal Mare
There are several additional pedigrees which include mention of both a Whynot and a Royal Mare. Whether these all represent the same maternal line is unknown at this time.

A filly foal Chesnutt by Darcy's Arab, 5 yo, of her Call'd Whynott [Darcy's Whynot Mare, 9 yo in 1711], Gott by a horse call'd Foster, Whynott out of Darcy's Royall Mare. [The Duchess of Newcastle's Mares, 1712 (C M Prior, Early Records of the Thoroughbred Horse, 1925; p124)]

… The Dam of the said Gray-Conyers, was out of a Royal Mare of Mr Wilkinson's of West Laiton, and got by old Why-not, belonging to Esquire Forster of Bainsbrough. / Test. --- Christopher Clayton, Newcastle. [Newcastle Courant. 11 May 1728. Numb. 159. Advertisement for Gray Conyers]

… her Grandam by Why-not; her Great Grandam by old Mr Wilkinson’s Bay Arabian; her Great Great Grandam by a natural Barb Mare Mr Wilkinson bought of Lord Arlington; this Barb Mare was a Present from the Emperor of Morocco to Lord Arlington, Secretary of State to King Charles II. … [Newcastle Courant. 20 Mar 1762. No. 4461. Advertisement for Adolphus]


This last pedigree is reminiscent of Mr Cheny's remarks in 1746 that the Royal Mares were so called "from their being procured abroad, by the Interest of, and coming to England in, the time of King Charles the Second."
 
Flying Whig and her descendants
Other surviving branches of Family 15 descend from two daughters of Flying Whig. The 15-a branch originates with Venus, by Langar, a descendant of Flying Whig's daughter, the Little Hartley Mare; the 15-d branch starts with a Regulus mare, grandaughter of the Large Hartley Mare (another daughter of Flying Whig). Branch 15-c has been removed from Family 15 based on evidence from Lord Godolphin's records that Selima (originator of 15-c) is, in fact, a descendant of the Moonah Barb Mare of Family 21.
 
The Hartley mares
These two remarkable daughters of Flying Whig were bred by Mr Hartley and owned for some years by Francis, Earl of Godolphin; the 1808 edition of GSB remarks that "Lord Godolphin’s stud groom bought the above two mares in 1732, for 100 guineas each, of Mr Hartley." Their surviving sons by the Godolphin Arabian all bred on and appear many times over in the pedigrees of modern thoroughbreds, although not as direct male line ancestors. Both mares had at least one other son by other sires that bred on, as well as daughters, and both should have corrections made to their records in GSB based on information in surviving advertisements and on Lord Godolphin's records (as published in C M Prior, The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, 1935).
 
The Little Hartley Mare (called Amorett in Ld Godolphin's records)
She had her first broodmare entry in An Introduction to a General Stud-book of 1791, her pedigree given then as

Got by Bartlet's Childers, out of Flying Whig, a daughter of Williams's Woodstock Arabian, grand dam by the St Victor Barb, out of a daughter of Whynot, son of the Fenwick Barb.

In the 1891 edition her foaling year (1727) was added (presumably taken from Mr Hartley's records) as was a foal in 1732 bred by Mr Hartley. Her produce list should have changes made to reflect the foaling dates in Ld Godolphin's records
 
1732 ch c Simpleton, by Hartley's Blind Horse … Mr Hartley [1]
1735 b f by Whitefoot … Ld Godolphin [2]
1736 b f by Whitefoot … Ld Godolphin [3]
1737 b c Tortoise, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [4]
1738 b c Janus, by the Godolphin Arabian … Ld Godolphin [5]
1739 b f (Merlin's dam) by ditto … Ld Godolphin [6]
1740 b c Blank, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [7]
1741 b c Old England, by ditto … Ld Godolphin [8]
1744 b c Trimmer, by Hobgoblin … Mr Prentis
1745 ch c Shakespeare, by ditto … Mr Meredith
1746 ch c Midas, by Saucebox … Mr Meredith
1747 ch c Slouch, by Cade … Sir J Moore
1751 f Miss Meredith, by ditto … Mr Meredith
        f by Shock (dam of Ęsop) … Mr Meredith

[1] Added to the list of produce in the 1891 edition, presumably based on Mr Hartley's papers
[2] Foales in 1735: bay filly by Whitefoot … "sold at Sturbridge Fair, 1740." (Ld Godolphin's records)
[3] Foales in 1736: bay filly … "sold in 1740, with a fole by her Side, got by ye Arabian, to Mr Willson"(Ld Godolphin's records)
[4] Foales in 1737: bay colt ... "called Tortoise, sold to Ld Gower in 1743" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[5] Foales in 1738: bay colt … "Called Janus, gave to Lord Middleton in 1748"(Ld Godolphin's records)
[6] Foales in 1739: bay filly … "sent, with her dam, to Sir John Dutton in 1741" (Ld Godolphin's records); "The Bright Bay Filly Given me by ye Earl of Godolphin 3 Years old Ao 1742 … This Mare is full Sister to Blank & Slugg & Janus" (Dutton records; Gloucestershire Record Office D678/1 F14/5/6)
[7] Foales in 1740: bay colt … "Called Blank. Sold to Mr Greevill in 1746" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[8] Foales in 1741: bay colt … "call’d Slugg, was sent to Sir John Dutton’s in 1741 with his Dam" (Ld Godolphin's records); "Old England, formerly called Slugg" (Heber 1752)
 
The Large Hartley Mare (called Sachrissa in Ld Godolphin's records)
She had her first broodmare entry in the 1793 edition of GSB where her pedigree was given as

Bred by Mr HARTLEY, got by his Blind Horse, her dam, Flying Whig, by Williams's Woodstock Arabian, grand dam by the St Victor Barb, out of a daughter of Whynot, son of the Fenwick Barb.

This mare's entry changed substantially in the 1891 edition of GSB. In addition to providing her colour (chesnut) and foaling years for her (1729) and her daughter by Hip (1733), her pedigree was also amended. It appears that after the 1858 edition, GSB had access to some records of Mr Hartley's, and these may well have been the source for some of the changes. However, it also appears that this editor made changes to numerous pedigrees in an effort to consolidate female lines. Thus, it is not clear whether the pedigree changes in this entry came directly from Mr Hartley or reflect the editor's own pedigree extensions. The 1891 pedigree names the St Victor Barb cross as Points and the Whynot cross as Grey Whynot; the earliest generation is now given as a Royal Mare, all of which brings this pedigree into agreement with that given for Quick's Charlotte. The last change made to the Large Hartley Mare's entry was the addition to her list of produce of Selima (1746) bay filly by the Godolphin Arabian. This is contradicted, however, by Ld Godolphin's own records (see C M Prior, The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, 1935).

The produce record of the LARGE HARTLEY MARE should be revised as follows
1732? ro c (Hartley’s roan Stallion) by Hip … Mr Hartley [1]
1733 ro f by Hip (dam of Why-not, by Old Cartouch) … Mr Hartley [2]
1735 b c Mogul, by the Godolphin Arabian … Ld Godolphin [3]
1736 b c by the Godolphin Arabian (died in Physick in 1740) … Ld Godolphin [4]
1737 b c Marlborough, by ditto … D of Marlborough [5]
1738 b c Babraham, by the Godolphin Arab. … Ld Godolphin [6]
            f by Roundhead … Ld Craven [7]

[1] An advertisement for Hartley's roan horse, dated 12 Mar 1736-7 in the Newcastle Courant (numb. 620.) called him "Five Years old." If the foaling year given for the Large Hartley Mare in GSB is correct, the advertisement probably should have said rising 5 years old - or, in other words, would turn 5 years old May-Day 1737. At any rate he cannot have been foaled as late as GSB's date of 1736.
[2] Her foaling year presumably taken from Mr Hartley's papers, since none was given in her original entry in the 1808 edition.
[3] Foales in 1735: bay colt … "Mogull, which ye Duke of Bolton had in 1739" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[4] Foales in 1736: bay colt … "Dyed in Physick in 1740" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[5] Foales in 1737: bay colt … "given to Willm Hearsy in 1741" (Ld Godolphin's records); ctf given by Ld Godolphin in Dec 1747: "I do hereby Certify, that the bay Horse I gave some Years ago to Mr William H[ers]y of Li[?]ington, is full Brother to the Horse called Babraham, both of them having been bred by me, and got by my Arabian, their Dam I bought of Mr Hartly, who said she was got by his old Stallion out of a Mare called The Flying Whigg…" (Dublin Journal, Numb. 2210. 17-21 May 1748)
[6] Foales in 1738: bay colt … "called Babraham, & sold to ye Duke of Bewford in 1744" (Ld Godolphin's records)
[7] Added to her dam's list of produce in the 1808 edition. Also note that in the entry for 1739 in Ld Godolphin's records it is recorded that the dam of Babraham was "sold to Mr Potts in 1739." According to an advertisement in the Ipswich Journal, 4 May 1754 (No. 795) for a "coming six Years old," Mr Potts was Roundhead's proprietor.
 
Flying Whig
She was first included in the edition of 1791 in Part II.

* Flying Whig, Ld Godolphin, 1731, Woodstock Arabian - Points, by St Victor's Barb - Grey Whynot.
* This mare was the dam of the two Hartley mares.


Mr Hartley did race a 4 year old grey mare called Flying Whig in 1735. The record in Cheny's calendars was probably the source for the date given in this edition of GSB. Mr Hartley referred to "old Flying Whigg, bred by Lord Godolphin" in his pedigree for Joseph Andrews (a 1743 grandson of the Large Hartley Mare); it is likely that the 1731 mare was a young Flying Whig, probably a descendant of the older mare of the same name; perhaps she was the daughter called Tripping Nancy in the 1891 edition of GSB.

In 1891, Flying Whig was given a full entry, the changes, again, at least in part, appear to be based on Mr Hartley's records.

FLYING WHIGG,
Bred by Lord GODOLPHIN, in 1715 (Pick says 1721), got by Williams' (or the Woodstock) Arabian - her dam, Points (sister to the Bald Galloway) by the St Victor Barb.

May 2 1727 ch f The Little Hartley mare, by Bartlet's Childers ... Mr Leonard Hartley
April 1729 ch f The Large Hartley Mare, by Hartley's Blind Horse ... Mr Leonard Hartley
May 1 1730 ch f by Hip ... Mr Leonard Hartley
1731 gr f Tripping Nancy, by ditto ... Mr Leonard Hartley
1732 ch f by ditto ... Mr Leonard Hartley
1733 b f (drowned as a yearling) by ditto ... Mr Leonard Hartley
          The age of this mare was wrongly given in previous editions.


A letter written about Countess to Ld Rockingham by Mr Hartley in 1754 provides some additional details regarding Flying Whig and her produce; for the full letter, see Rockingham Transcriptions.

Flying Whig was frequently referred to in 18th century pedigrees as Mr Ovington's. Advertisements for Mr Hartley's roan horse (Newcastle Courant. 12 Mar 1736-7. Numb. 620. and 28 Mar-4 Apr 1741. Numb. 2468.) describe her as "that famous running Galloway that formerly belonged to Mr Ovington" and "ran the disputed Race at Stockton with Mr Nicholson's Grey Mare." Ovington's Flying Whigg is also listed in Muir's Old Newmarket Calendar as having won a Match at Newmarket, 8 Oct 1719.

Mr Hartley appears to have been the authority for crediting Ld Godolphin as breeder of Flying Whig, see for example, this advertisement from the York Courant, 27 Feb 1749-50. Numb. 1272.

In the same Hands [John Luck and Joseph Smith], at the same Place [Beverley in the County of York], the famous well-shap'd Horse, call'd JOSEPH ANDREWS, fifteen Hands and an Inch high, fit to carry eighteen Stone weight a Hunting; bred by Leonard Hartley, Esq; near Richmond in Yorkshire, at One Guinea and Half a Crown each Mare: He was got by Roundhead, who was out of Roxana and the Devonshire Childers; Joseph's dam was got by Hipp, bred by Charles Pelham, Esq; and got by the Old Bay Barb; his Grandam by Mr Hartley's blind Horse; his Great Grandam was Old Flying Whigg, bred by Lord Godolphin She was got by the Woodstock Arabian, her Dam by St Victor's Barb, who got the Old Bald galloway, and her Grandam by Old Grey Why-not. / LEONARD HARTLEY.
N B In 1748 he won the Five Years Old Plate at Lincoln; in 1749 he won the Six Years Old at Epsom, the King's Plate at York, and the King's Plate at Lincoln.
 
Mare by the St Victor Barb (dam of Flying Whig)
Bred and owned by Capt Rider.

The latest version of Flying Whig's pedigree in GSB states that her dam was Points (sister to the Bald Galloway) by the St Victor Barb.

GSB's identification of this mare as Points may have arisen from entries in the calendars such as this one from Cheny 1750

Babraham … was got by the earl of Godolphin's Arabian, and out of his Lordhip's large Hartley Mare; she was got by Mr Hartley's blind horse (a son to the Holderness Turk;) she was out of Mr Ovington's flying Whig, which was got by Williams's Arabian at Woodstock, the sire of Mr Frampton's Spider, and Points, her dam, was bred by Capt Rider, and got by the St Victor Barb, out of a Daughter of Why-not. The St Victor Barb was the sire of the Ball'd Galloway.

The advertisement for Babraham in Cheny 1749 is clearer

In the Hands of Mr. Benjamin Rogers, at Mickleham, near Leatherhead and Dorking, Surry, at four Guineas a Mare, and two Shillings the Servant, (paid at the Stable Door) the Bay Horse called Babram, sixteen Hands high, Master of eighteen Stone, wt. free from natural Blemish. He was got by the Godolphin Arabian, his Dam by the Hartley blind Stallion (Son of the Holderness Turk) his Grand Dam was the Flying Whig, which was got by the Woodstock Arabian, Sire of Spider and Points, his Great Grand Dam by the St. Victor's Barb, Sire of the Ball'd Galloway.

A version of Babraham's pedigree in Lord Godolphin's records (see C M Prior, The Royal Studs of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, 1935; p 143) says that this mare was bred by Capt Rider, and an early version of the pedigree of Janus (see Cheny 1747) describes her as "a high bred Mare of the late Capt Riders who bred the Bald Galloway."

That said, it appears that the dam of Spider and Points was not this mare at all, but was instead the dam of Dumplin, "an Arabian Mare of Lord Godolphin’s."

"… Dumplin was got by Mr Frampton’s Hobler, out of an Arabian Mare of Lord Godolphin’s which Mare was the Dam of Spider and Points." [Advertisement for Young Dormouse, Whitehall Evening-Post. 13-15 Mar 1760. No. 2183.]
 
Mare by Whynot (grandam of Flying Whig)

This mare was given her first entry as a broodmare in the 1891 edition of GSB. This entry has several problems when compared against eighteenth century records, and may need substantial revision.

(GREY) WHYNOT,
Got by Old Whynot (son of the Fenwick Barb), her dam a Royal Mare.
     c Bald Galloway, by St Victor Barb ... Capt Rider
     c Cupid, by ditto ... Capt Rider
*    f Points, by ditto ... Capt Rider
+   f by Leedes ... Capt Rider
*POINTS (Lord Godolphin's) produced, 1715, f Flying Whigg, by Williams or Woodstock Arabian, and, 1717, gr c by Williams's White Turk, possibly the same horse.
+ This mare bred a f by Dumpling.
     From this mare, Blank, Babraham, Gower Stallion, Merlin (by Second), Sweetbriar, Hornsea, Rattle, Amsterdam, Soothsayer, Jerry, Mr Waggs, Medoro, Jacques, Tearaway, Bacchus, Sealskin, Foxhall (American), Harvester, Skylark, etc, descend.
Either Grey Whynot, or a sister to her, bred also a filly by Bethell's Castaway, dam of a f by Dyer's Dimple, dam of a Crab mare, dam of Charlotte, by Blank.


As discussed above, evidence exists that Points was not a full sister to the Bald Galloway. That there was a full sister, however, comes from a pedigree for the stallion Merry Pintle, advertised in Ireland in 1735: "THE famous white Horse, called Merry Pintle, bred by Capt RIDER, out of a full Sister of the famous Bald Gallway and got by the White Turk that got both True Blues." (Dublin Journal. 17-20 May 1735).

There was also a brother: "Cupid, which was called Brother to the Bald Galloway, both bred by Mr Rider" (York Courant. 27 Feb 1753. Numb. 1428. Advertisement for Bald Partner).

The Leeds mare listed as produce of (GREY) WHYNOT appears only in the pedigree of Lord Strange's Sportsman, which Sportsman was first entered in An Introduction to a General Stud-book, of 1791, Part II, as

Sportsman, (Ld Strange's) 1747, Ld Derby's Whitefoot - Nathan - Dumplin - Leedes - Grey Whynot.

The format of this entry suggests that the last cross is that of a stallion, and starting with the edition of 1803, the Fenwick Barb was given as sire of Grey Whynot. However, the pedigree given in both Heber's and Pond's calendars imply that Grey Whynot was a mare, and do not extend her pedigree. Pond 1753, for instance, says in the section of pedigrees of 6 year olds

Sportsman, Lord Strange's, was got by (the Earl of Derby's Stallion) Whitefoot; his Dam by Nathan, a Son of Lord Lonsdale's Arabian, his Grand Dam by the Earl of Godolphin's Dumplin, his Great Grand Dam by Leeds, out of grey Why not.

Therefore, it is not certain what the relationship was between Grey Whynot, apparently a mare (pedigree not given), and the Whynot mare (dam of Flying Whig).

Of interest is the possibility that there was a brother to Lord Strange's Sportsman. Lord Strange's bay colt by Whitefoot ran 2 of 4 for 100gs each at Newmarket in October 1760. In Pond 1756, his pedigree had been given as "got by Whitefoot, out of the Bridgewater Mare." The Earl of Bridgewater (Scroop Egerton, created Duke of Bridgewater in 1720) was Master of the Horse to Prince George of Denmark, and is known to have claimed the Prince's horses at his death in 1709. (Historical Manuscripts Commission. Eleventh Report, Appendix, Part IV. The Manuscripts of the Marquess Townshend. London. 1887.) Among the horses claimed was Leeds. Although only a few pedigrees of the Duke's horses were published, it is known that Dumplin also sired the Duke's Slouch. The late Duke of Bridgewater's horses were offered for sale in 1745 (see the London Evening Post, 31 Jan 1745; issue 2690; and 14 Mar 1745; issue 2708.) but no sales lists have come to light. Possibly Lord Strange acquired his "Bridgewater Mare" from one of these sales, and she then became dam of his Sportsman.
 
great grandam of Flying Whig
Most surviving eighteenth century pedigrees of descendants of Flying Whig do not identify her great grandam, ending, instead, with the daughter of Whynot. Two pedigrees, however, do describe her as a mare "of a Running Kind."

From an advertisement in the York Courant for Captain, 10 Mar 1752. Numb. 1379.

My Horse was out of the Dam of Babram, and was got by my blind Horse out of old Flying Whig, which Lord Godolphin bred. She was got by the Woodstock Arabian, who also got the famous Spider and Points; her Dam was got by St Victor's Barb, who got the Old Bald Galloway, and her Grandam by Old Grey Whynot, and out of a Running Kind, &c. The Pedigree of Hip I had from Mr Pelham, and that of Whig from Lord Godolphin. / LEONARD HARTLEY.

And from an advertisement for Sans Souci, in the York Courant, 1 Mar 1774. No 2525.

… He was got by Young Cade; his Dam, by Shock (out of Mr Hartley’s Countess, by the Hartley Blind Stallion); his Great Grandam, by Hip; his Great Great Grandam, by the Hartley Blind Stallion; his Great Great Great Grandam, by the Woodstock Arabian; his Great Great Great Great Grandam, by St Victor’s Barb; his Great Great Great Great Great Grandam, by Old Whynot, out of a Running Mare of Lord Godolphin’s.—A True Pedigree. / William Ayre.
 
The Bald Galloway
Although there are two surviving advertisements for the Bald Galloway, neither provides a pedigree. Evidently he was at the end of his career, and sufficiently famous by then, that it was thought unnecessary.

THIS is to give Notice, that on the 16th and 17th Days of March next, will be sold, (by way of Auction the Stud, late of Mr William Ovington of Cowling, nigh Beedal, in the County of York) consisting of several Stallions, viz Own Brother to Childer's baul'd Galloway, and the famous Arabian, call'd, Bloody Buttocks, and several large sized Brood Mares, Colts, Fillys, and Foals got by the above-said Stallions; as also several Milk Cows, and other large Cattle: All which said Goods will be sold at the Time and Place above-mentioned. [Newcastle Courant. 24 Feb 1727-8. Numb. 148.]

THIS is to give Notice, that the bald Galloway is leap'd at Mr Ascoughs of Jervaux-Abby, near Middleham, at 2 Guineas each, and half a Crown to his Servant; when he bought the said Horse, he did say to several People, he would leap him at one Guinea, but People flocking to him so fast, he is desir'd by most of those that makes use of him to serve at 2 Guineas, least he should be overset; he got 50 Mares the last Year, at 5 Guineas each; likewise Castaway serves Mares at the same Place, at half a Guinea, and Six-pence to his Man; Whoever has a Mind to make Use of the said Stallions, they shall be well taken Care off, and have Grass for their Mares that has Foals, at half a Crown, and those has none, at two Shillings per Week. [Newcastle Courant. 23 Mar 1727-8. Numb. 152.]


The earliest surviving pedigree of the Bald Galloway is probably the one found in the Dutton records (D678/1 F14/5/6; Gloucestershire Record Office). It is undated but is the second of 16 stallion pedigrees, and is found immediately following one for Childers and immediately preceding a pedigree of Bay Bolton "taken out of Sr Mathew Pearson’s Book who bred him. 6 Decr 1735."

The Ball'd Galloway's Pedigree.
He was got by Monsr St Victor's Barb;
His Dam by Mr Rider's Whynot,
Whynot was out of a Royall Mare & the Yellow Turk, & bred by Mr D'arcey.


An early date is also suggested from the fact that the only year any of the mares in the Stud were covered by the Bald Galloway is 1726 (the mares were the Leeds Mare, Stanhope Mare, Kitty Burdge, and Young Kitty Burdet). It might also be important to note that "Mr Darcy" did not become Ld Darcy until 1721, perhaps indicating that this pedigree was recorded at an even earlier date.

The earliest published pedigree now known is found in Cheny's print of the Carlisle Gelding (originally called Buckhunter) published 26 Sep 1741. Cheny said that the Bald Galloway

was bred by ye late Captn Rider, in Whittleberry Forest, Northampton-shire. His Dam was a Royal Mare of the said Captain Rider's, of the Why-not Kind. His Sire was a Barb of Monsieur St Victor's of France.

In 1743, Cheny referred to "the St Victor's Barb, Sire of the Bald Galloway" when giving the pedigree of the grandam of Lord Godolphin's dun filly. In 1744, Cheny added that "The Dam of the said bald Galloway was a Why not Royal Mare, which Why not was got by the Fenwick Barb."

Finally in 1746, Cheny added

"His Dam was called a Why not Royal Mare, she being got by Why not, a Son of the Fenwick Barb, and a Descendant of one of the Mares, called Royal Mares, from their being procured abroad, by the Interest of, and coming to England in, the time of King Charles the Second."

This was the pedigree entered in An Introduction to a General Stud-book, of 1791, and repeated unchanged through the 4th edition of 1858.

Bald Galloway, Capt Rider, St Victor's Barb - Whynot - Royal Mare.

In 1891, as noted above, the Bald Galloway was listed as produce of the mare called (GREY) WHYNOT thereby joining his descent with that of the line of the CRAB MARE (dam by Dyer's Dimple - Bethell's Castaway - Whynot - a Royal Mare), whose line cannot be verified from historical sources any earlier than the produce of the CRAB MARE.

Given the multiplicity of Whynot's in early records, a comparison of the Bald Galloway's pedigree from the Dutton records with Cheny's pedigree of some 20 years later raises the distinct possibility that Cheny misidentified the Whynot, and consequently displaced the "Royal Mare." Unfortunately, there are no known descendants of Merry Pintle's dam (said to have been a full sister to the Bald Galloway), so this question is unlikely to be resolved by scientific testing.
 
Bald Galloway
[from Dutton records]
St Victor's Barb    
 
   
 
mare by Mr Rider's Whynot
bred by Mr D'arcey
Yellow Turk
Royall Mare
   
 
 
Bald Galloway
[from Cheny's print of the Carlisle Gelding, 1741, etc]
Bred by Capt Rider,
in Whittleberry Forest
St Victor's Barb    
 
   
 
Royal Mare of Capt Rider's
"of the Whynot Kind," later
called "a Whynot Royal Mare"
Whynot Fenwick Barb
 
   
 
 
In summary, it is possible that as many as five mares have been consolidated in GSB's single entry of (GREY) WHYNOT.
 
15-b       15-a,15-d
Royal Mare       Ld Godolphin's mare of the "running Kind"
mare by Whynot Grey Whynot [a mare] Ld Godolphin's Arabian mare
(dam of Dumplin, by Frampton's Hobler
mare by Rider's Whynot
(son of the Yellow Turk)
mare by old Grey Whynot
(son of the Fenwick Barb)
mare by Bethell's Castaway D: Bridgewater's mare by Leeds Spider & Points,
by St Victor's Barb
Capt Rider's Bald Galloway,
by St Victor's Barb
Ld Godolphin's Flying Whig
(1715) by Williams Arabian at Woodstock
mare by Dyer's Dimple        
CRAB MARE        
Quick's Charlotte
(1756), by Blank
       
 
Whynot references in early pedigrees

♦ A filly foal Chesnutt by Darcy's Arab, 5 yo, of her Call'd Whynott [Darcy's Whynot Mare, 9 yo in 1711], Gott by a horse call'd Foster, Whynott out of Darcy's Royall Mare. [The Duchess of Newcastle's Mares, 1712 (C M Prior, Early Records of the Thoroughbred Horse, 1925; p124)]

♦ … The Dam of the said Gray-Conyers, was out of a Royal Mare of Mr Wilkinson's of West Laiton, and got by old Why-not, belonging to Esquire Forster of Bainsbrough. / Test. --- Christopher Clayton, Newcastle. [Newcastle Courant. 11 May 1728. Numb. 159. Advertisement for Gray Conyers]

♦ THIS is to give Notice, that Col EDWARD STRATFORD, of Bellan, intends to sell all his Studd by Cant, both of the Saddle and Coach Breed: There are three Stallions, all the Sons of old Why not, viz Dimple, Diamond, and Bay Why-not, and several breeding Mares and young Cattle of the same, and several of the Coach Breed: The Cant to begin at Timolin, on Thursday the 14th of September next, the Day between the two Races at the Curragh, at Ten of the Clock, and so continue until all be sold. All to be sold for ready money. [Dublin Journal. 2-5 Sep 1732. Numb. 716.]

♦ [The Carlisle Gelding's] Dam was a Royal Mare of the said Captain Rider's, of the Why-not Kind. His Sire was a Barb of Monsieur St Victor's of France. / Publish'd this 26th day of September. 1741. by John Cheny.

♦ … the Ball'd Galloway. Which was bred by the late Captain Rider of Northampton Shire, out of a Whynot Royal Mare And a Foreign Horse (styl'd from his owner) the St Victor Barb. [Cheny print of Sir William Morgan's Old Cartouch, no date of publication]

♦ 3 / The Ball'd Galloway's Pedigree. / He was got by Monsr St Victor's Barb; / His Dam by Mr Rider's Whynot, / Whynot was out of a Royall Mare & the Yellow Turk, & bred by Mr D'arcey. [Dutton records (D678/1 F14/5/6; Gloucestershire Record Office)]

♦ … out of a Daughter of / Old Grey-Whynot, & bred by Mr / Ryder. [Dutton records (D678/1 F14/5/6; Gloucestershire Record Office) a b f given Sir John Dutton by the Earl of Godolphin, 3 yo in 1742]

♦ … a Daughter of Old Whynot, Son of the Fenwick Bard [sic]. [Cheny 1743; pedigree of Tortoise]

♦ … The Dam of the said bald Galloway was a Why not Royal Mare, which Why not was got by the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1744; pedigree of Earl of Godolphin's Cade]

♦ … the Wilkinson Whynot, (Sire also of the Dam of the Bald Galloway) Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1744; pedigree of Edward Leeds' Esq; Kittle Bender]

♦ … the Wilkinson Why-not, Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Cheny 1745; John Fenwick's, Esq; b f]

♦ … the Bald Galloway, … His Dam was called a Why not Royal Mare, she being got by Why not, a Son of the Fenwick Barb, and a Descendant of one of the Mares, called Royal Mares, from their being procured abroad, by the Interest of, and coming to England in, the time of King Charles the Second. [Cheny 1746]

♦ … [Flying Whigg's] Grandam by Old Grey Why-not. / LEONARD HARTLEY. [York Courant. 27 Feb 1749-50. Numb. 1272. Advertisement for Joseph Andrews]

♦ … his Dam was call'd the Why-not Mare, and she was got by [White]-Foot, Merlin.--"This is a true Pedigree, Witness my Hand, / THO. HAWKINS. / Gentleman of Horse to the late and present Duke [of Ancaster]." / N B Good Grass for Mares, and proper Care taken. [York Courant. 12 Mar 1750-1. Numb. 1327. Advertisement for a Son of Winn's Arabian]

♦ … Whynot was famous boath for Raceing and a Stallion he was Son of ffenwick Barb.. [Ld Rockingham's collection of pedigrees and breeders certificates, WWM/R193/45; Sheffield Archives; pedigree of Countess sent in 1754 by Mr Hartley]

♦ Victorious was got by Rufler, his Dam by the late Hutton's grey Barb, his Grandam by Bay Whynot, which was the Dam of Bay Wilkinson. She came from a kind of Mr. Wilkinson's called the Smithson; Mariamne is full Sister to Sir Ralph Gore's Mare. [Pond 1754; pedigrees of 6 yo; Earl of Portmore's Mariamne]

♦ … Old Why-not, Son of the Fenwick Barb. [Heber 1757; advertisement for Shakespear]

♦ his great grand dam by Why-not, out of a royal mare. / The above is a true pedigree of Spot. / Simeon Stuart. [Caledonian Mercury. 9 May 1761. Num. 6144. Advertisement for Spot]

♦ … his Great Great Grandam, by Whynot, out of a Royal Mare. … --This is a true Pedigree. / Simeon Stuart. [York Courant. No 2270. 2 May 1769. Advertisement for Doge]

♦ … her Grandam by Why-not; her Great Grandam by old Mr Wilkinson’s Bay Arabian; her Great Great Grandam by a natural Barb Mare Mr Wilkinson bought of Lord Arlington; this Barb Mare was a Present from the Emperor of Morocco to Lord Arlington, Secretary of State to King Charles II. … [Newcastle Courant. 20 Mar 1762. No. 4461. Advertisement for Adolphus]
 
Selima
 
Long thought to be a daughter of Sachrissa, Selima instead belongs to Family 21. C M Prior discovered her pedigree in Lord Godolphin's stud books [Royal Studs:172]. See Selima.
 

     
  Attila (GB) b c 1839 Colwick (GB) - Progress (GB), by Langar (GB)
Attila (GB)
1842 Derby Stakes
 
     

     
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